Export Layout to model
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Hi Serhat,
You can do this by using _CUTCLIP to cut all the objects from your layout and place them on the clipboard. After this switch to model space and use _PASTECLIP to paste the objects back onto your drawing. Depending on what the drawing is you may need to then scale your objects to the correct scale.
you may find something in the applications area that will automate this process for you.
Regards,Jason Bourhill
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If it was all drawn in the Layout space you could cut and paste into Mspace, but I suspect it has multiple viewports and I have found no easy way to export the Layout view to Mspace except perhaps have a friend with Autocad.
There is an idiot government standard (for their jobs) where I work, which will not accept Pspace drawings and this is a perennial problem.
A poor solution I can use is to print to PDF then convert the PDF back to DWG (using Able2extract) - it comes back as all polylines, solids and dense hatches (no text, blocks etc) on only 3 white layers and needs scaling. Apart from exploding all the plines and reinstating all the layers it would give them a next-to-useless dwg file, in Mspace as requested. The government wouldn't know the difference for their records.
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Thank you for interest.0
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Note there is an earlier post on this, which included a lisp routine to assist.
http://forum.bricsys.com/discussion/16036
@John. Don't accept pspace?? It must be around for 20 years since this feature was first introduced!! Have previously used similar techniques to yours, Print to DXB -> use DXBIN (not available in Bricscad, deprecated in ACAD). Print to HPGL -> HPGLIN/plt2dwg (again not available in Bricscad). All a variation on a theme similar to your PDF -> DWG, result is a lobotomised drawing file. I wouldn't mind betting that this government standard was based on the capability of whatever document management system that they use/used. Is it an option to submit in TIFF format? I've seen that elsewhere, they still get an unusable file, but it's a lot easier for you to generate.
Regards,Jason Bourhill
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I have a more problem. I open the drawing on the model then I select the layout. I zoom in the drawing.I want to save dranwing in this state for use to on the model. But I couldn't. İn Autocad, there is an option to save export layout to model.0
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I know it's hard to believe, Jason. They still want 8 digit file names, so they will be readable in DOS I guess. Except files after about 1997 wouldn't be readable by any DOS vintage cad program.
I think they originally got some guys in to set up their standard, then time stood still.
First 3 digits represent the job, like Wiluna Primary School - WPS. But then there is Wyalkatchem PS, Warburton PS, Police Stations, Pumping Stations... so god knows what their file system looks like with all those identical code names.
I mainly use xrefs and xcllip for their jobs. An idea I saw for different scaled details was to make blocks of them and insert at a scale to suit the 'big picture'.
Serhat, export to model space is a feature in Autocad which Bricscad unfortunately does not have.
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Thank you John. I know, there is an option to export layout to model in Autocad. Can it be written any lisp for Bricscad?0
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Never say never. I have seen a lisp which can freeze layers in an xref by selecting an entity which is apparently bound in the unexploded xref, but not one to do this job. No idea how it would work, it's obviously possible in some porgramming environment.
Export to mspace still leaves you with some work. For instance I believe it mucks with the scale of different scaled viewports.
I don't find it too hard to work with files containing an xref, scaling and xclipping where required (for jobs demanding mspace). Even where it would all fit on one sheet, it gives the ability to make blown up details. Only real problem is there is no vplayer command available.
A mate does these jobs using pspace and export, but I believe I have less work by creating the drawings without using pspace.
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Serhat, John,
have you tried raising a support request to have this feature added? At least you would find out if it is on the radar.
For PDF output you could try using the _EXPORT command. This will capture the layers the objects are on, which your conversion application may be able to utilise in retrieving some of the drawing structure.
See that Dotsoft offer a batch conversion tool for PDF -> Bricscad. http://www.dotsoft.com/bricscad/pdf2dwg.htm
In the cases that clients make requests that compromise your ability to work efficiently, have generally work to best practice, then undertaken a conversion (_ETRANSMIT) to provide the files in the format they require. We treat these files as prints, and never work on them directly, only used to deliver files to the client.
Regards,Jason Bourhill
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I believe it has been raised, but since I do those jobs quite efficiently without pspace I now have very limited use for the feature.
My mate seems to have more trouble/time exporting to mspace than my minor inconvenience of no vplayer. So I can't have the same detail side by side with different layers showing, which is rare on the same sheet in my work.
Setting up xrefd child dwgs is not that different to Pspace layouts and a minor part of doing a job.
By the way, I have seen mspace vports in files from others - they don't seem to do anything. Is that an Acad thing? Perhaps they are a byproduct of psexport.
There are options for exporting to PDF but converting back to DWG seems quite limited, although useful at times to extract data when the dwg file is unavailable.
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