shape "global settings" command?
is there a text command that brings up the settings in Shape, similar to any intellicad software?
I would like to know where I can change the global settings of the software...
Also, when I have shape already opened with a drawing, and start a NEW additional drawing, there is no way to setup the units (cm, mm, etc.) in the new drawing...
Only if I close shape, restart it and then start immediately a new drawing, I can setup the units. Otherwise it is impossible.
But perhaps there is some generic command (like in any autocad-clone) that would bring up some settings menu...
Thanks in advance...
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@Horia - BricsCAD Shape is not an AutoCAD clone. It is a stripped down version of BricsCAD BIM, and it is a free software with limited functionality. What you are asking for is available in the paid versions of BricsCAD.
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I found a command called "COMMANDS", which lists in the F2-window all the commands of Shape. I could not find any "settings" command there...
For anybody interested, these are the shape commands, as of today, V 19.2.06:
BricsCAD internal and external commands:
External:
[Convert]
CONVERTOLDLIGHTS, CONVERTOLDLIGHTS
CONVERTOLDMATERIALS, CONVERTOLDMATERIALS[BIMCommands]
-BIMINSERT, -BIMINSERT
-BIMWINDOWCREATE, -BIMWINDOWCREATE
BIMAPPLYPROFILE, BIMAPPLYPROFILE
BIMCOPY, BIMCOPY
BIMDRAG, BIMDRAG
BIMFLIP, BIMFLIP
BIMINSERT, BIMINSERT
BIMLINEARSOLID, BIMLINEARSOLID
BIMMULTISELECT, BIMMULTISELECT
BIMQUICKDRAW, BIMQUICKDRAW
BIMSECTION, BIMSECTION
BIMSPLIT, BIMSPLIT
BIMSTRETCH, BIMSTRETCH
BIMWINDOWCREATE, BIMWINDOWCREATE
BIMWINDOWUPDATE, BIMWINDOWUPDATE[Mechanical]
BMCREATECOMPONENT, BMCREATECOMPONENT
BMINSERT, BMINSERT[BDMCommands]
DMCHAMFER, DMCHAMFER
DMCOPYFACES, DMCOPYFACES
DMDEFORMCURVE, DMDEFORMCURVE
DMDEFORMMOVE, DMDEFORMMOVE
DMDEFORMPOINT, DMDEFORMPOINT
DMEXTRUDE, DMEXTRUDE
DMFILLET, DMFILLET
DMGROUP, DMGROUP
DMMOVE, DMMOVE
DMPUSHPULL, DMPUSHPULL
DMREVOLVE, DMREVOLVE
DMROTATE, DMROTATE
DMSELECT, DMSELECT
DMSELECTEDGES, DMSELECTEDGES
DMSIMPLIFY, DMSIMPLIFY
DMSIMPLIFYALL, DMSIMPLIFYALL
DMSTITCH, DMSTITCH
DMTHICKEN, DMTHICKEN
DMTWIST, DMTWIST
LCONNECT, LCONNECT
TCONNECT, TCONNECT
XFACES, XFACES[ODA Export Commands]
TFLOAD, TFLOAD
TFSAVE, TFSAVE
XMLSAVE, XMLSAVEInternal:
[BRICSCAD_CMDS]
-ARRAY, -ARRAY
-ARRAYCLOSE, -ARRAYCLOSE
-BLOCK, -BLOCK
-COLOR, -COLOR
-FBXEXPORT, -FBXEXPORT
-HYPERLINK, -HYPERLINK
-IMAGEATTACH, -IMAGEATTACH
-IMPORT, -IMPORT
-INSERT, -INSERT
-LAYER, -LAYER
-PAN, -PAN
-PURGE, -PURGE
-RENAME, -RENAME
-RENDER, -RENDER
-TEXT, -TEXT
-VIEW, -VIEW
-WBLOCK, -WBLOCK
3DARRAY, 3DARRAY
3DFACE, 3DFACE
3DMESH, 3DMESH
3DPOLY, 3DPOLY
ABOUT, ABOUT
ARC, ARC
ARRAY, ARRAY
ARRAYCLOSE, ARRAYCLOSE
ARRAYEDIT, ARRAYEDIT
ARRAYEDITEXT, ARRAYEDITEXT
ARRAYPATH, ARRAYPATH
ARRAYPOLAR, ARRAYPOLAR
ARRAYRECT, ARRAYRECT
AUDIT, AUDIT
BACKGROUND, BACKGROUND
BASE, BASE
BLIPMODE, BLIPMODE
BLOCK, BLOCK
BMPOUT, BMPOUT
BOX, BOX
BREAK, BREAK
BROWSER, BROWSER
CAMERA, CAMERA
CHAMFER, CHAMFER
CHANGE, CHANGE
CHPROP, CHPROP
CIRCLE, CIRCLE
CLEANSCREENOFF, CLEANSCREENOFF
CLEANSCREENON, CLEANSCREENON
CLEANUNUSEDVARIABLES, CLEANUNUSEDVARIABLES
CLIPDISPLAY, CLIPDISPLAY
CLOSE, CLOSE
CLOUDACCOUNT, CLOUDACCOUNT
CLOUDDOWNLOAD, CLOUDDOWNLOAD
CLOUDLOGOFF, CLOUDLOGOFF
CLOUDLOGON, CLOUDLOGON
CLOUDOPEN, CLOUDOPEN
CLOUDPROJECT, CLOUDPROJECT
CLOUDUPLOAD, CLOUDUPLOAD
COLOR, COLOR
COMMANDLINE, COMMANDLINE
COMMANDLINEHIDE, COMMANDLINEHIDE
COMMANDS, COMMANDS
CONE, CONE
CONVTOMESH, CONVTOMESH
CONVTOSOLID, CONVTOSOLID
CONVTOSURFACE, CONVTOSURFACE
COPY, COPY
COPYBASE, COPYBASE
COPYCLIP, COPYCLIP
COPYHIST, COPYHIST
CUTCLIP, CUTCLIP
CYLINDER, CYLINDER
DDEDIT, DDEDIT
DISH, DISH
DIST, DIST
DISTANTLIGHT, DISTANTLIGHT
DOME, DOME
DWGPROPS, DWGPROPS
ELLIPSE, ELLIPSE
ERASE, ERASE
EXPLODE, EXPLODE
EXPORT, EXPORT
EXTEND, EXTEND
EXTRUDE, EXTRUDE
FILEOPEN, FILEOPEN
FILLET, FILLET
GENERATEBOUNDARY, GENERATEBOUNDARY
GEOGRAPHICLOCATION, GEOGRAPHICLOCATION
GRAPHSCR, GRAPHSCR
HELIX, HELIX
HIDE, HIDE
HIDEOBJECTS, HIDEOBJECTS
HYPERLINK, HYPERLINK
ID, ID
IMAGEATTACH, IMAGEATTACH
IMAGECLIP, IMAGECLIP
IMAGEFRAME, IMAGEFRAME
IMAGEQUALITY, IMAGEQUALITY
IMPORT, IMPORT
IMPRINT, IMPRINT
INSERT, INSERT
INSERTALIGNED, INSERTALIGNED
INTERSECT, INTERSECT
INVOKETESTAPP, INVOKETESTAPP
ISOLATEOBJECTS, ISOLATEOBJECTS
JOIN, JOIN
LAYCUR, LAYCUR
LAYMCUR, LAYMCUR
LIGHT, LIGHT
LINE, LINE
LIST, LIST
LOFT, LOFT
LOOKFROM, LOOKFROM
MAIL, MAIL
MANIPULATE, MANIPULATE
MATCHPERSPECTIVE, MATCHPERSPECTIVE
MATCHPROP, MATCHPROP
MATERIALASSIGN, MATERIALASSIGN
MATERIALMAP, MATERIALMAP
MIRROR, MIRROR
MIRROR3D, MIRROR3D
MOVE, MOVE
NAVIGATE, NAVIGATE
NEW, NEW
OFFSET, OFFSET
OOPS, OOPS
OPEN, OPEN
ORTHOGONAL, ORTHOGONAL
PACKAGE, PACKAGE
PAN, PAN
PASTEBLOCK, PASTEBLOCK
PASTECLIP, PASTECLIP
PASTEORIG, PASTEORIG
PASTESPEC, PASTESPEC
PEDIT, PEDIT
PEDITEXT, PEDITEXT
PLAN, PLAN
PLINE, PLINE
POINTLIGHT, POINTLIGHT
POLYGON, POLYGON
POLYSOLID, POLYSOLID
PREVIEW, PREVIEW
PRINT, PRINT
PROJECTGEOMETRY, PROJECTGEOMETRY
PURGE, PURGE
PYRAMID, PYRAMID
QNEW, QNEW
QPRINT, QPRINT
QSAVE, QSAVE
QUIT, QUIT
RECORDRAWINPUT, RECORDRAWINPUT
RECOVER, RECOVER
RECOVERALL, RECOVERALL
RECTANG, RECTANG
REDO, REDO
REDRAW, REDRAW
REDRAWALL, REDRAWALL
REDSDKINFO, REDSDKINFO
REGEN, REGEN
REGENALL, REGENALL
REGENAUTO, REGENAUTO
RENDER, RENDER
RENDERWINCLOSE, RENDERWINCLOSE
ROTATE, ROTATE
ROTATE3D, ROTATE3D
RTLOOK, RTLOOK
RTPAN, RTPAN
RTROT, RTROT
RTROTCTR, RTROTCTR
RTROTF, RTROTF
RTROTX, RTROTX
RTROTY, RTROTY
RTROTZ, RTROTZ
RTUPDOWN, RTUPDOWN
RTWALK, RTWALK
RTZOOM, RTZOOM
RULESURF, RULESURF
SAVE, SAVE
SAVEALL, SAVEALL
SAVEAS, SAVEAS
SAVEFILEFOLDER, SAVEFILEFOLDER
SCALE, SCALE
SCRIPT, SCRIPT
SELECT, SELECT
SELECTALIGNEDFACES, SELECTALIGNEDFACES
SELECTALIGNEDSOLIDS, SELECTALIGNEDSOLIDS
SELECTCONNECTEDFACES, SELECTCONNECTEDFACES
SELECTCONNECTEDSOLIDS, SELECTCONNECTEDSOLIDS
SELECTSIMILAR, SELECTSIMILAR
SELGRIPS, SELGRIPS
SHAPE, SHAPE
SLICE, SLICE
SOLIDEDIT, SOLIDEDIT
SPHERE, SPHERE
SPOTLIGHT, SPOTLIGHT
STATBAR, STATBAR
STATUS, STATUS
STLOUT, STLOUT
SUBTRACT, SUBTRACT
SUPPORTFOLDER, SUPPORTFOLDER
SWEEP, SWEEP
TEMPLATEFOLDER, TEMPLATEFOLDER
TESTDBUSERIO, TESTDBUSERIO
TESTDLG, TESTDLG
TESTFATAL, TESTFATAL
TESTINTERNAL, TESTINTERNAL
TEXT, TEXT
TEXTSCR, TEXTSCR
TORUS, TORUS
TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY
TRIM, TRIM
U, U
UCS, UCS
UCSICON, UCSICON
UNDO, UNDO
UNION, UNION
UNISOLATEOBJECTS, UNISOLATEOBJECTS
URL, URL
VIEWRES, VIEWRES
WBLOCK, WBLOCK
WCLOSE, WCLOSE
WEBLIGHT, WEBLIGHT
WEDGE, WEDGE
XEDGES, XEDGES
XLINE, XLINE
XPLODE, XPLODE
ZOOM, ZOOMEnd of List.
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Thank you for your reply (regarding no availability of a basic thing: units setup! great!
)Well, why discuss about clones or not clones? Shape is using all the autocad commands (and even same shortcuts, like "L" for "line") as all other Intellicad-based programms do too. Of course Shape is a stripped down version of BricsCAD, but this is not relevant, as the original source of its commands and also of its working methods is still the old Autocad.
I would like to remind to you and to any other Bricsys defender and lover, that Bricsys shows in its advertising videos that SHAPE is the tool to start with, when one does a PROFESSIONAL BIM project. This is what they say. So if they ask me, as a potential customer (I really would like to buy, but first I test!) to use first SHAPE in order to build the BIM model, I do this as instrructed!!! And I observe that I get into much trouble, which is usually typical for unrefinded CAD products, that do say something in the advertising but do not work well in reality.
I had a lot of trouble to understand what was happening: Created a new drawing from scratch, and the doors and windows were completely out of scale. There was no way to setup the units.
I had to try a lot until I understood what it is happening. In the end I discovered what I have already written here above!It is a shame that these problems are not adressed AT ALL in SHAPE support documents, and that SHAPE's serious technical documentation is similarily zero, like it is also for the case of other clone CADs.
If shape is just a toy to attract customers, than please state it accordingly, and do not claim it is a software to use when an architect wants to build a BIM model with Bricsys BIM software!
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Thanks for the interesting Command Listing.
I really like OOPS and PAN, PAN
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So if it is intendet to start with SHAPE and then refine the whole stuff in Bricsys BIM, how does an architect work with SHAPE, how should he setup everything (as this it the starting point: SHAPE) if he does not have the possibility to setup units, if he does not start SHAPE completely anew, but has already an open drawing next to the NEW drawing that he is just creating?
How should he discover that the software has a negligent bug, as it ignores units settings in that case?This is a real problem, and I kindly ask everybody here to stop explaining to me (in a condescendant way) what SHAPE is in reality, each time I simply ask why something is not working. Shape should work, it should be a part of a professional suite, and not something that you ask yourself each 10 minutes why it is not working as expected.
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@Horia - all what you have in BricsCAD Shape is available in BricsCAD BIM. If you really want to test BricsCAD BIM, you should try the full trial and not Shape. You will also find better descriptions and tutorials for BricsCAD BIM than for Shape.
https://help.bricsys.com/hc/en-us/categories/360000408774-BricsCAD-BIM
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@Michael Mayer said:
Thanks for the interesting Command Listing.I really like OOPS and PAN, PAN
(Although I think they won't do what I would expect)Dear Michael, if you like commands, I show you another trick, in case you don't know it:
type "COMMANDLINE" into Shape! You will be surprised that it starts showing the usual 5-line text part, below the drawing screen (As in any other autocad clone!) .
if you type COMMANDLINEHIDE, than the same command text "area" will disappear again.
(these details are of course nowhere covered in the SHAPE documentation!)
This is for shure for the programmers themselves. They show us a "simple" SHAPE UI, but of course any real professional works with typed commands , not (only) with quads and other graphic things. It is simply faster.0 -
@Per Gogstad said:
@Horia - all what you have in BricsCAD Shape is available in BricsCAD BIM. If you really want to test BricsCAD BIM, you should try the full trial and not Shape. You will also find better descriptions and tutorials for BricsCAD BIM than for Shape.https://help.bricsys.com/hc/en-us/categories/360000408774-BricsCAD-BIM
Thank you!
In that case, Bricsys has a problem of communication to customers! I did not read anywhere that SHAPE and BIM are overlapping. Even the promotional video shows that one has to use SHAPE to start building the BIM model. So... again the same problem. Bad/missing information...0 -
BricsCAD Shape in 10 Minutes Webinar
BricsCAD BIM - Workflow Overview with Heidi Hewett
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Regarding the original question:
The units selected in the Start dialog define the default template that will be used during that session. IMO this make sense.@Horia:
You are critical of this forum's etiquette. Looking at your own contributions this is rather surprising.0 -
@Per Gogstad said:
BricsCAD Shape in 10 Minutes WebinarBricsCAD BIM - Workflow Overview with Heidi Hewett
Thank you!
I already saw these videos! My comments above relate to the video of Heidi Hewett exactly! > @Roy Klein Gebbinck said:Regarding the original question:
The units selected in the Start dialog define the default template that will be used during that session. IMO this make sense.@Horia:
You are critical of this forum's etiquette. Looking at your own contributions this is rather surprising.0 -
in your opinion, that setting might be enough! But if you read my argumentation, you will understand that it is not enough, and that there is a usecase that is not foreseen by the programmers, and causes havoc!
"Etiquette" means a formal way of communicating. I am not talking about etiquette, but about wrong ideas, about things that do not correspond to reality, or are contradictory.
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Bricsys has decided to hide many settings in Shape and to present the user with a simplified GUI. If you do not like this then Shape is not the right product for you.
Regarding the forum etiquette: you accuse others of being condescending. IMO this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Just reread your very first post...
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@Horia said:
Dear Michael, if you like commands, I show you another trick, in case you don't know it:
type "COMMANDLINE" into Shape! You will be surprised that it starts showing the usual 5-line text part, below the drawing screen (As in any other autocad clone!) .Unfortunately I don't like Commands at all.
I am visually thinking and multiple App user so I prefer (standardized)
Tool Icons. Commands and Commandline is no viable input method
for me.
There is just no real way around Commandline in Bricscad or even Shape.
But the majority of users loves it.But Commandline opens much easier as @Louis from Bricsys disclosed
a few days ago.
You can just double click into left part of the Status Bar to open or close
Commandline.0 -
Regarding the forum etiquette: you accuse others of being condescending. IMO this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Just reread your very first post...
this is your opinion, and...
it's fine to have personal opinions!But, statistically, if I post only two questions here, well documented, and showing some problems that are objective, and I am reminded for FIVE times that SHAPE is free so I should not expect bla... bla... it is a form of condescendence. And a way of NOT answering to the problem, but to move it away to another place ("as Shape is stripped, we cannot discuss it's problems, or expect to...!")
Fact is, that Shape produces problems to a user that just wants to use it. This is a case of non-considered usecase, not of a user that has "different" requests. I just want that simple piece of software to work. I Don't ask that it works "complicated" or different than intended. It should just work flawless and bugless.
Or is free software permitted to have bugs, and its users forbidden to complain about?0 -
@Horia
Every piece of software has bugs. But your complaints about Shape are mostly about the limitations (built-in and intended) of the program. That is quite different. If you find any real bugs you should send in a Support Request.0 -
Shape isn't a free Open Source Software with priority on "free".
And Shape isn't the new complete Sketch and Design Solution
that you should use and happens to cost no money.
Of course Shape is offered to increase Bricscad sales and not to
decrease them by making it obsolete.As Per already said it is a stripped down version of Bricscads
Direct Modeling Tool Set. I come from Bricscad so I have never
mistaken Shape as an App of its own.
But maybe Bricscad should better Communicate that overlapping
to avoid such misunderstandings.When announced, Shape had a much simpler and easier GUI than
Bricscad. Which has changed meanwhile and you can get neraly a
similar easy GUI experience in Bricscad. So now less need for a
Bricscad user today to switch to Shape to better concentrate
on pure design.But people like the senior boss that may have never learned to
use a CAD App may be enabled by Sketchup or Shape to do some
coputer aided designs.
Opposed to Sketchup, which I think is much easier as it follows
real world UI/UX rules instead of isolated proprietary Autodesk
behaviors,
Shape has the advantage of producing ready-to-use lossless
Solid DWG Geometry.0 -
Same for "Feature Requests".
I think the current Feature Set of Shape isn't fixed for eterity.
Some additions may be possible and useful.
Adding an INSUNITS to be able to see or change units might
perhaps make some sense (?)0
