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I had a file created in V7, edited in V8 but when I wanted to print, no go. This has only happened to one file.Strange 2 -- A file created in V7 turned white (color 7) on the screen in V8 for all entities regardless of color setting, i.e. BYLAYER. If you select the property inspector knows the correct color and even changes the entity to that color in highlighted form. It does print through the .ctb with correct line-weights. The file will come up correctly in V7 even after being saved in V8.Anyone know what gives.Jerry
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This happens to me when Bricscad semi-hangs after a failed plot. When I close and reopen, no problem.I haven't tried saving before closing and then reopening to see if it's an entity corruption and not just a display hang.
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In any case I wouldn't trust any program too much to save after partially hanging. If you have work you need to save before closing, I would recommend saving under another name and then examining it carefully to see if there's any corruption.Better yet is to habitually save before any intensive operation, like plotting.Bricscad 8 seems to be generally quite good at allowing you to save your work, even after a partial crash.
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Could you please file a support request and attach the files? We will be glad to investigate this strange behavior and solve this problem.Hans De BackerBricsys
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Right-click the layout tab where this problem appears. In the "configuration" tab uncheck"display plot styles".
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That box is enabled. By the way I'm using model space for something simple. Will send file to support per request.Jerry
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Unenable the box by clearing the checkmark.The purpose of this item is to show the drawing as it would be plotted according to the settings in the layout. A kind of "Preview". If most of the colors are to be plotted as "7", then they will be shown as "7".In layout "Model" in your case it would be some kind of default settings.
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Meant to say not clickable. Anyway, the Layout tab (which I seldom use) does show all the correct colors. Model tab shows all white. I am not aware of changes that can be made for the model tab other than page setup, which appears to have no effect on the model display. Since it does display correctly in paperspace, some setting must be enabled or disabled from Version 7 to Version 8. Possibly a setting was implemented that previously was for compatibility only. Just guessingJerry
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I speculate:The inability to check/uncheck that item was defined by the bricscad v8 development team because they figured that it would be unnecessary ("nobody plots in modelspace") and would be confusing to the typical user (your example).Perhaps also other technical reasons.Unfortunately, after an unsuccessful plot, it got "stuck" in "plot style display mode" and can't be reset.If this is true (it's only a speculation), then I would suggest that bricscad v8 enable this item.1. some people do plot from modelspace.either sketches or drawing sheets using xrefs.(we have a government-mandated standard format for town planning submissions that uses this kind of setup)2. cases like this where it gets "stuck".This is only a speculation.
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A lot of people plot from Modelspace!That's a scary assumption.I would say everyone does at some time and some do all the time. I do most of the time.I have also experienced that some standards even disallow the use of Paperspace.
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We always plot from modelspace, partly company history, partly due to use of xref drawing border. We never use paperspace.
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Roger, how does the use of an x-ref drawing border force you to plot from modelspace? I would think it would be easier in paperspace. You could insert the xref in the layout, at 1:1 scale regardless of the scale of the drawing, and then just have a viewport at the desired scale to show the drawing.
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You can insert the border at 1:1 and the xref at the scale/s you want, all in MS.Xclipping is very versatile and accurate compared with placing PS viewports, if slow when snapping on a big xref.There are fewer steps creating an xref/MS drawing than an xref/PS.About the only advantage you don't get in MS is freezing and thawing different layers in multiple PS viewports.In the past, Acad users have had trouble reading my PS drawings and there have been quite a few issues with PS within different Icad versions.
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Nothing beneficial to add here but I'm gladI'm not the only one plotting from modelspace. Tried fooling around with paper spacehere and there but just got frustrated. Guessold habits die hard.
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Yes, it's a revelation to me, too, though from an opposite point of view. I didn't know anyone was still printing from modelspace.I was relieved when Autocad 2000 introduced layout tabs. I thought it made architectural construction drawings so much easier.It gives you visible, actual-size sheets of paper to put the title block/border on, and scaled viewports containing the various drawings, as little parcels to arrange on the rest of each sheet and to edit the drawings inside of. And all in one file, no xrefs needed.
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I do mechanical service drawings, which are similar in size etc to the architecturals for the same job. So the advantages of PS are relevant and appreciated for me too.A couple more problems I have had;-When I get to about 25-30 layout tabs my v7 becomes unstable and I lose layouts. I have not had the courage to try it with v8 yet.Some clients don't like a bundle of drawing numbers to be all in the one file.Our gov't public works department flatly rejects PS drawings (I think they are pretty backward, but hey it's their job) and if you have to un-PS a job in such a situation it's almost impossible.
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Come on now == someone is not admitting that check print to letter size of a detail before creating it's viewport! Fess up.
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Oh, yeah. Then there's the "see how you are going" plot and the one you do part way through to get details out early, pointless creating a PS view for. Then there are the drawings which just don't need breaking up because the area fits easily on a single sheet. I would have thought there would be a lot of those.
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Actually, I use layouts for test printing too. I find it easier for printing of any kind -- whether on a large format sheet or on a letter-size test print. It's the lazy way to do it, using visual aids rather than analytically figuring out the numbers to use to set up the print view in Page Setup. I like YouTube, also.I forgot to mention that I haven't actually "created" a layout in years. I import them from a blank file I keep that has layouts in every printer and paper size combination I ever use. The layout comes in with a viewport already on it, and a title block and border where appropriate, so all I have to do is double-click inside the viewport, wheel-zoom in to the view I want, and set scale in the Properties palette. And no print preview needed because the layout is the print preview (I always keep "Display Plot Styles" checked).
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I am working in MS and want to print an A4 size piece of the drawing. I zoom into the area and print at the scale I want using print preview to see if it will fit.It might be an area of the dwg which won't even be in any final PS view or spans a join in vports or I might not have created any vports yet.I might not have it in any vport with the right layers showing, so I have to disturb the layer settings in a port just for a quick part-print.I can't see that there is anything to be gained by going to PS for the print, or for a small simple drawing to even use PS.There is no point in beginners having to learn PS just to get a simple print of their work so far, like me even after learning it and using it and appreciating its benefits, they may find they never actually need it for what they do.
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Yes, certainly, if you find layouts difficult to use then you shouldn't use them. As I said above, I only use them because I find them easier than printing from modelspace.But altering a viewport in order to make a test print, as you suggested, would be a bad way to go about it even for someone who likes to print layouts. As I said before, I would instead import a layout tab for letter-size test prints, and print from that. In fact, my template file includes a layout tab for that purpose.Layouts are just prefabricated print setups, complete with a visible white sheet of paper of the right size on which you can transpose all of modelspace or any part of it at whatever scale you want, zooming and panning to the view you want without changing the size of the visible sheet of paper, and seeing what the print looks like even as you zoom. And then you can save each of those print setups for later use if you want. They're nothing more than a convenience, so anyone who doesn't find them convenient shouldn't use them.
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Whatever, PS is quite expendable for me while MS printing is vital.
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Great discussion. I personally love paperspace (yes, we're still using acad 14). I could blather on for hours ... ... ok, minutes
... , on the advantages of pspace .Back to the original problem, a workaround when a setting gets stuck would be to:1. thaw and unlock all layers, zoom extents and set ucs "world".2. wblock (with window, not "all") everything in modelspace to a file.3. do the same in each layout, each to a different file.4. open a new file, and insert with "explode" into each layout and mspace.You will lose all settings, ucs, views, etc. but it will probably solve your problem.note: be sure to set modelspace ucs to "world"BEFORE using wblock in any layout.There seems to be a bug where something wblocked out in a layout is located according to the ucs in effect in mspace at the time.I'll send a bug report.0 -
Funny?! Yes!Best option is open in Version 7Back to normal.By the way model space is for design and paperspace is for draftmen...person.Jerry
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That's not very kind to draftspeople considering PS is not robust enough for heavy duty work (up to v7 at least), not universally accepted and not universally readable among other CAD software.
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