Joining the Outlaws
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Graphics Engine in both MS & PS, shaded viewport a bit of tansparency a few lines with a 0.5-1.0mm line weight, bogs down rapidly. Octave should look at aqcuiring the RedWAY3D SDK and graphics engine off Tech Soft 3D. Those guys are seriously dragging the chain and are in denial. I showed them their demo engine running at 1 FPS and they responded as if that’s expected and that with their help they can improve it and showed me one of theirs doing 10 FPS, like I expect 100+ FPS with the model they demoed. Essentially, eshitification, showcasing a product with horrific performance and attempting to sell it as a diamond, customers are just going to laugh at them.
Not sure how this could help.
If a company relies on a 3rd party 3D Engine, I would not expect much Graphics expertise in-house that could make much use or further developing of that SDK.I also experience sub par Viewport experience in Bricscad on Mac than with other 3D/CAD/BIM Apps - unfortunately same on Windows.
It was said that RedSDK's Metal was too slow and not usable. And I think Metal support is mandatory for a final future Apple ARM support. Otherwise Bricscad will no more run on new Apple Hardware beginning September 2027.What about that alternative (?)
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I ended our maintenance for BricsCAD late last year when I "tried" to update to V26 having been unhappy with the performance of V25, only to find my maintenance had expired. I was surprised because only a few months earlier I had upgraded from Pro to BIM, and thought that meant I had 12 months before it needed renewing.
I contacted support and offered to pay the maintenance, but they flat out refused despite the honest mistake, and insisted on the hefty upgrade payment too.
That was it for me and we're done with BricsCAD upgrades. What's more, this hurts the parent company Hexagon twice, because I also cancelled our Cloudworx maintenance as we don't need that now to maintain functionality with future versions of BricsCAD.
We are very happy on the final version of V24 which works great, and wasn't filled with AI slop.
For reference, our V25 issues were big performance hits from the AI trying to guess what we wanted to do next. Disabling that returned performance to normal. But also we had a load of issues with the Paper space tabs not displaying properly which was really annoying.
If you're reading this BricsCAD, well done to your support team, they cost yourselves and Leica some easy money.
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Back when I decided to sit on v14, it was primarily a financial decision. But as the idea of the subscription model became more emphasized, the more I disliked the idea of upgrading.
Regarding bugs in your current seat, I believe they did do some more bug fixes for v14 after the v15 was released. They didn't notify any who weren't on subscription. Still, you were permitted to check for updates, and download them. So, perhaps your wasted v25 upgrade is not totally wasted.
-Joe
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I just remembered a detail! To get any of the bug fixes for v14, after your subscription to support had expired, you had to describe a major bug to your dealer. Then, they would permit you to download a version that had that bug fix. The dealer had to facilitate this.
-Joe
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Tom, regarding Qonic - Is the ‘offline’ point critical? I’ve asked myself the same question.
Qonic have a ‘desktop’ webapp. When are we ever ‘offline’? Home ISP may loose service but can temporarily Hotspot off an iPhone.
Qonic has introduced Components & Components libraries and soon a Component editing environment with basic constraints and parametrics, (more intuitive Family Editor).
Another year or so and this platform should be adequately developed.
Personally, kinda over this desktop application constraint. Some of us are longtime Mac users and love macOS, but have to endure hardship of using this retarded relic OS Windows, because companies like Autodesk refuse to develop macOS apps like Navisworks. Then there’s BricsCAD macOS which is poorly developed/underrepresented. I’d welcome a WebGPU based app to replace BricsCAD and if Qonic can in the future import Navis NWD files and delete only geometry is needed from the NWD, id be pretty much free from the Windows enslavement situation.
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'Is the ‘offline’ point critical?'
Just that my rural copper internet connection is so slow, and interruptible in winter weather - no prob mainly, but no gd for an ap running on a server somewhere, need it all on my machine. Phone reception's even worse! Only Starlink is really the alternative, here.
'Qonic have a ‘desktop’ webapp'
Not sure, what I need may have arrived, will have another look.0 -
ah Rural copper, understand now, I didn’t think if that, I was thinking perhaps you fly often and not all planes have wifi.
The desktop web app mentioned means it’s a standalone app with a web front and back end, it uses system RAM and GPU as needed, practically i means you dont have to run inside Safari or any other web browser.
They have a forum with monthly updates, quite interesting.
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Thanks for the pointer to regular release notes.
"We’ve always believed BIM shouldn’t depend on desktop software … and this month marks one of
the biggest steps yet"
Yeah, but they've told me a desktop version is on the way.0 -
It’s here, not the ‘offline’ BricsCAD like desktop app, can work offline but will need to get back online to sync the changes made locally to the cloud.
https://help.qonic.com/documentation/qonic-application
The backend is WebGPU that’s the reason the navigational performance is exceptional and unparalleled.
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Aha - I don't see an immediate idiot's descrip - so I can work away creating/deleting/navigating etc - but can't save locally? For that, have to phone home? In that scenario, on a weak internet connection, where does "performance is exceptional and unparalleled" come in?
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Tom, a Starlink will solve the internet problem. People in remote areas I’ve spoken with have said they’ve not experienced any issues with service disruptions during inclement weather.
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The very first time I recall ever seeing a computer was in the 70's. A guy was entering our information on a terminal at a hospital. He said "The computer is slow today." Last week I was at a medical provider, and the lady said, "The computer is slow today"…. Our computers are thousands of time faster, with connections that are thousands of time faster, and nothing has changed.
So, I guess you can figure out my attitude for depending on any sort of internet connection, and someone else's computer to allow me to do my work.
-Joe
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Let's go back to using ruling pens. Rapidographs were the whole problem. They allowed computers to do the drafting.
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Well…. one may not hear that the computer is slow today if we go back to using ruling pens. The new complaint will then probably be: the drafter is slow today… the only drafting person we could find had to be brought back from retirement. 🙄
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I just took a look at the Qonic website. If the speed shown in the videos with real world backgrounds/surrounding is from online projects then that looks really good. However requiring an internet connection for this kind of stuff is not always practical if you work at a location where internet is slow, not available or over a limited speed public wi-fi with data usage restrictions.
€ 895 per month for only 10 projects (not 10 projects a month but 10 projects overall)? I'm working on more than 10 projects in any given month so this gets eyewatering expensive compared to BricsCAD. if it could also do mechanical.
For architects this might be less of a problem assuming that an architect will be working on may 2-4 active big projects during a month and a few smaller ones but it does beg the question how many projects you can have on their servers that are not being worked on. If you can have only 10 projects, active or at rest, on their servers it will still become quite expensive if you cannot offload projects from their servers to your local storage to stay within that limit and you have to start paying per gigabyte of storage for large projects.
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Last para - yes, I'm assuming that, otherwise forget Qonic! You also found those T&C not spelt out publicly.
x4x or other, would appreciate clarification of my Q above:
"Aha - I don't see an immediate idiot's descrip - so I can work away
creating/deleting/navigating etc - but can't save locally? For that,
have to phone home? In that scenario, on a weak internet connection,
where does "performance is exceptional and unparalleled" come in?"Pity there's no Qonic forum, as yet - it's a bit inappropriate to be discussing it here.
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Tom, agree somewhat about discussing Qonic here, but on the other hand Qonic are the founding fathers of BricsCAD.
Anyway there is a forum, rather low-key though, to be expected as it’s a young platform. Your voice needs to be heard there, because there are others that share your views and have similar requirements.
Perhaps they have plans, local only, change of pricing to suit other operations etc, but i’d say they’re more focused on developing a functional stable platform and when they feel it’s ready for mass adoption then they’ll open up a bit.
Shame though they built an Electron app, that’s really a lowest common denominator choice, (actually the whole tech stack). Thought they’d be less generic/conservative and be focused on current/modern, efficient and or cutting edge ‘tech stack’, C++, WebGL, Electron, ugh, so many better solutions that won’t hurt them in the future.
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